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. >> reporter: good morning, frank. with polls show mitt romney with momentum republicans are certainly hoping that congressman paul ryan will keep it going while democrats are counting on vice president joe biden to reverse the flow and to stop the loss of support among voters. >>> reporter: congressman paul ryan arrived in kentucky ahead of his first nationally televised debate. the number 2 man on the gop ticket told reporters earlier in florida voters will see a clear choice when he faces off against vice president joe biden. >> this is my first time. what he can't run from is president obama's indefensible record. they are just offering more of the same. >> reporter: ryan will face an opponent who occasionally causes controversy with freewheeling statements but republicans also know vice president biden is a seasoned debater. >> nothing like standing up before 70 million people. >> reporter: usually vice- presidential debates don't greatly impact elections but after president obama's lackluster performance at his first debate with mitt romney, many believe democrats are desperate for vice
congressman who wants to be known for his budget. >> i'm kind of a numbers guy. >> the poll numbers for romney and ryan soaring after the first presidential debate. democrats openly counting on joe biden tonight to stop that republican momentum. >> osama bin laden is dead and general motors is arrive. >> the 2012 vice presidential debate starts right now. >>> happy debate night, everybody. the best television series of 2011 was the republican primary debates. there were 1 million of them. they played to huge audiences week after week and never disappointed. now it is october 2012 and the most compelling thing on television anywhere in the country is once again the debates. only now there are only two candidates at a time and the stakes are way higher. i'm rachel maddow. here on our msnbc headquarters in new york. i'm joined by ed schultz, reverend al sharpton, chris hayes, steve schmidt. lawrence o'donnell is our man in the spin room tonight. the one and only chris matthews is at centre college in danville, kentucky, the site of tonight's debate. chris, is this unusually high stakes for a vice
-point reversal from a week ago. >>> and according to a "new york times"/cbs poll, mitt romney leads the president by one point in colorado. last month the president was up one point in that state. in virginia, president obama's lead from last month grew slightly. he's now up 51%-46%. and in wisconsin, the candidates are within the margin of error after the president lost a point from last month and mitt romney gained two. in all three battleground states, voters by double digits believe the economy is getting better compared to the numbers back in july. >> and mark halperin, that may be the big takeaway from this poll. the race is getting much closer. nobody can predict what's going to happen. if you look at a big friend, thoug trend, you've got to look at a lot of americans in these swing states are looking at the economy saying things are getting better. >> it's clearly a huge factor and yet, obviously, the debate from denver is also a huge factor. i think, you know, we look a lot at the margin of error, and these numbers aren't shifting all that much. what's key is in a lot of the states the p
is on the line tonight. governor romney built on it in the first debate. we know this, brand new poll in the state of nevada shows a two-point race. the president had been ahead a bit more there. keep going through the battlegrounds. look at colorado. a state on romney's agenda. he tends to have been doing better in the west. nevada had been doing closer. new quinnipiac poll, little boost from the debate there. let's come over to a huge state. romney probably needs to win florida. i can give you a scenario where he wins without florida, but it's a hard one. he had been down pretty big numbers. look at this. "the wall street journal" poll 48% to 47%, a statistical tie in the battleground state of florida. come up the coast, predebate there were polls in the state of virginia showing the president opening up a big lead outside the margin of error. new poll out today, romney 48%, president obama 47%. a statistical tie in battleground virginia. so there's colorado, nevada, florida, virginia. and one i'm just back wolf from the state of ohio. we had a cnn poll showing romney making gains.
quinnipiac poll, little boost from the debate there. let's come over to a huge state. romney probably needs to win florida. i can give you a scenario where he wins without florida, but it's a hard one. he had been down pretty big numbers. look at this. "the wall street journal" poll 48% to 47%, a statistical tie in the battleground state of florida. come up the coast, predebate there were polls in the state of virginia showing the president opening up a big lead outside the margin of error. new poll out today, romney 48%, president obama 47%. a statistical tie in battleground virginia. so there's colorado, nevada, florida, virginia. and one i'm just back wolf from the state of ohio. we had a cnn poll showing romney making gains. president still with a very narrow lead. consistent with that a new nbc "the wall street journal" poll out today, governor romney at 45%, predebate polls showing romney down seven, eight, even nine points. in all the battleground states and national polls romney's coming up. that's the momentum the republicans hope to keep in tonight's debate. >> john, is there any
has it at four. clearly, still a lot of work for romney. let's keep going. virginia, we saw polls before the first presidential debate starting to stretch outside the margin. back to a dead heat. that's nbc news "wall street journal" mars poll and down to florida and here's another one. it started to open up a handful. there is no question, no question, the race changed after the the first presidential debate. romney got a bounce. but when you get a bounce, the challenge is to sustain it. that's the big challenge. can paul ryan keep the republican momentum? >> so, it's narrowed in these battleground state, but is there any indication that first debate created new battleground states? >> some evidence. i'm a bit skeptical. but one state where the numbers changed, mitt romney's birth state of michigan. his dad was governor there. our cnn poll had it close to ten points. looked like no way the republicans could put that into play. three points. so that's within the margin of error. that sheds michigan back into play. do the democrats now think we have to spend money here? we have to
cbs news poll shows mitt romney getting a post-debate bounce in two key states. >>> rescued from the wreckage. two people are pulled to safety in the aftermath of a deadly collapse at a parking garage. >>> diamond drama. post-season baseball heats up with two fantastic finishes. this is the "cbs morning news" for thursday, october 11, 2012. good morning, everybody, good to be with you. i'm terrell brown. debates between vice presidential candidates aren't supposed to matter but after president obama's poor debate performance last weeknight's faceoff between joe biden and paul ryan has turned into a high stakes affair. in colorado president obama held a slim lead in september now romney has a one-point edge. in wisconsin the president was leading by six points last month, he leads romney by just three points now. in virginia the president continues to hold on to a small lead. tara mergener is in washington following all of this. >> reporter: good morning. boy the pressure sure is on tonight particularly for joe biden who will be trying to gain ground following that first president
't changed. >> one debate down. the vp showdown just hours away. a new poll today shows mitt romney makes gains in three key swing states. romney flips the script in virginia, now leading by one point. the fight for florida is a statistical dead heat. and romney has narrowed the gap this ohio, although the buckeye state, what every republican needs to win the white house, is still solidly in obama's corner. >> this is the conversation we were having before both conventions. so almost as everything has been erased. >> i think it accounts for the hemorrhaging that they let romney back in. >> joining me now is ed schultz host of the ed show. and let's start with this. congressman ryan as well as the chairman both trying to set the stage for tonight. let's listen. >> joe biden's been on will stage many times before. this is my first time. so, sure, it's a nervous situation. because joe biden is one of the most experienced debaters we have in modern politics. >> this is miss firhis first ti. joe biden's been doing this since the 1800s. he'll do a solid job. >> so when you listen to this, the b
keep their season going. >> and getting tight. the poll just released that shows mitt romney picking up momentum in key places. >>> we'll have those stories just ahead. first we want to go to the news4 ve desk. >> crews still on the scene of a deadly house fire in east baltimore that has killed five people, including four children. take a look. our chopper is now over the scene. wbal is reporting the grandmother and four children were killed. you can see a look at that aerial shot. you can see the apparatus as well as some flashing lights. we know that a man had to jump from a second story window. at one point a firefighter fell through the floor and two firefighters received minor injuries. investigators still not clear how the fire started. >>> thank you. >>> 6:00 a.m., and it is just 48 degrees out there. a chilly start to our day. we have a big baseball game today at nats park. we'll know if it's going to warm up for the baseball game. >> what do you say, v.j.? >> yeah, it's going to warm up, just not quite where we were yesterday. ten degrees cooler today. >> whoa. th's
of blunt romney's momentum, which is beginning to show up in the polls. we haven't seen anything truly definitive, but we know most people thought that mitt romney won the debate. democrats are looking for biden to blunt that momentum. can he do that? >> of course, joe biden, again, knows how to communicate very, very well. i think when people talk about last week, expectations for president obama are always exceedingly high and it was relatively easy for mr. romney who had an 11th hour conversion. we recall that he is the etch-a-sketch guy that has transformed himself and quite frankly, we always have to wonder which mitt is going to show up. so if you just lay out lie after lie after lie about your own plan as well as what the president has been talking about, of course, you can look good. vice president biden will do very, very well. he knows what has been going on. he is in touch with the american public, and i'm just hopeful mr. ryan will tell the truth. whether it's about medicare and that it's a voucher program, that mr. romney and mr. ryan, their health care plan will lead to m
presidential debate is tonight and a cbs news poll shows more swing state voters are moving toorlds mitt romney. >>> we'll ask strategist david axelrod how to stop the move. >>> a scathing report shows lance armstrong took part in the biggest doping incident in history. >>> we begin with today's eye opener, your world in 90 seconds. >> i know how you'll come and attack us. the problem he has is he has barack obama's record he has to run on. >> the vice presidential candidates set to take center stage. >> joe biden and paul ryan go head to head in their first and only debate. >> biden under pressure to reverse governor romney's momentum. >> if you have a bad game, move on. you look forward to the next one. the difference between this and sports is that the stakes are so high. >> there was a garage collapse here at the miami dade west area. >> rescuers pulled one person out 13 hours after. >> i heard a pop, pop, pop, pop, dominos straight down. >> republican lawmakers pounced on the obama administration over last month's embassy attack in libya. >> we had the correct number of people in ben za gi
romney. obama falls into the trap and his polls crash again. he loses a debate. he loses the week after the debate, and he loses big bird. i've never seen anything like this, newt. it is amateur hour. >> well, i think what you're finally seeing is that once the shell cracks and once the facade breaks, i think obama right now is totally disoriented. they are shocked watching six months of careful work just disappear in 90 minutes. it was the worst performance which an incumbent president i think in my lifetime. even jimmy carter did better than that 90-minute performance by obama, and i think they are probably literally shellshocked right now which sets the stage for tonight. i think it's going to be very interesting to watch tonight. i suspect, i don't know, but i suspect biden's going to come in there trying to re-establish some sense of momentum, and i think that ryan's got to go in, stick to the facts and be calm and steady and a potential president. >> just on the joe biden thing for a second. nobody, including obama, has really created an argument, a rationale, a reason for re-elec
. >> patti ann: after governor romney's strong debate performance last week, new polls show that the debate tightening in nearly a dozen battleground states. what does it mean in the final weeks of campaign season. jamie weanstein is co-author of the shocking inside account of obama's ambitions by an anonymous white house staffer. thank you for joining us. what does president obama need to do to get some momentum back? >> certainly on tuesday he has a chance to reverse his terrible debate performance of october 3rd. that will be another big national stage moment with millions of viewers turning in. if he can try to pick the moey l momentum away from mitt romney during that debate perhaps he can turn the tide. right now the momentum seems to be romney's favor. >> let's talk specifically about battleground states, wisconsin, pennsylvania, new hampshire and michigan were all leading in obama and now considered toss-ups. let's start with wisconsin. what is happening there? >> all those four states as you said were switched by real clear politics. in wisconsin that is where paul ryan is from, mi
that shows romney is up by 7. obama campaign disputes the poll that the hispanic voters are not as close as that poll shows. that is pretty significant lead in florida with rom up 7. he certainly as the momentum. that would be a crucial at a time for him on his way to the presidency. >> you mentioned ohio where the president has had a lead for months. it has shrunk all the way down to statistical dead heat. >> no candidate has won the presidency in 1964 without winning ohio. only one candidate has won the presidency since 1948. this is a state that usually a bellwether. it's going to be no different this year. right now carl cameron is watching the rally there. that is where the candidates are spending a lot of time putting a lot of ads. romney is narrowly down by 2 percentage points. i would think as goes ohio, goes this election. whoever wins ohio will win the election. >> patti ann: north carolina, romney was leading but now high is leading by more. what about north carolina? >> i think this is going to be romney's election. they have it in the toss-up category. president obama won it
. now the battleground polls are out telling us whether mitt romney's comments ruffled any feathers among voters. according to our latest nbc poll obama holds a one point lead. ohio the gap is down to six. in virginia it's slipped for one to obama and up one for romney. the president is still ahead but nationally mitt romney has actually taken the lead. ten days ago obama head a four point lead in that average. today mitt romney leads by more than a point. but when you look at just the swing states, president obama is leading almost every one of them albeit by a reduced margin. these are numbers just from the last states. let's put them through the spin cycle. guys, all of this raises an interesting possibility that i have resisted and that political science tells us shouldn't be happening. political science says generally speaking if there's movement nationally, there will be similar movement in the swing states. if there's movement in swing states will be mirrored in other states. mitt romney has not pulled ahead in swing states. look at a state like ohio, virginia, iowa, new hamp
who is expected to perform well. last week the stakes were monumental for the romney team who desperately needed a strong performance to overcome weeks of mistakes, bad polls and republican hand wringing. this week it is team obama facing high stakes to stop the bleeding and quiet the lamenting of freaked out democrats who were disappointed with last week's apathetic performance. the stylistic shoe may be on the other foot as well. ryan like obama can come across as cerebral and distant. one last thing, while the pressure is on for biden, a lot is at stake for ryan too. while he is well known by inside the belt way crowd, the national audience is just getting to know ryan. his unnecessary bending of the truth sullied his reputation. this is take two for ryan to make a favorable impression and to preserve his own future regardless of whether the romney ryan ticket. this is happening in kentucky, a state known for derby, bourbon and one of the greatest fighters, muhammad ali. we'll have the vp debate here. the timing of this one makes it feel like a main event. q famed ring anno
debate with governor romney last week. our latest fox news poll shows congressman ryan has a higher approval rating than vice president biden among likely voters that's heading into tonight's showdown. you can see it here on fox news channel just about 86 minutes from now. campaign carl cameron live in the spin room here in danville. the guys at the top of the ticket were campaigning today and there was some back and forth about libya. >> yes, there was. mr. romney was campaigning in asheville, north carolina. for the last day and a half, the obama campaign has been suggesting that the whole controversy over what happened with the u.s. consulate in benghazi was a consequence of the romney-ryan campaign, as though their political rhetoric is somehow what's creating a investigation and the nation's concern about why the administration held on so long arguing that it wasn't terrorism. well, today mr. romney answered back pretty toughly. listen to this. >> mr. president, this is an issue because we were attacked successfully by terrorists on the anniversary of 9-11. president obama, thi
:00. >>> mitt romney has enjoyed a boost in several polls from a strong debate performance, but it's a new poll out this morning of voters in swing states that may hold the most encouraging news for the former governor. the poll by nbc news, marist and "wall street journal" shows romney closing the gap in three states. ohio, florida, and right here in virginia. it is virginia that is considered one of the most importan states of this election where romney is really gaining some ground. he now leads the president there 48% to 47%. that is a three-point swing from last week when he trailed by two points. in ohio is where we're also seeing some new numbers this morning. the president still leads there, though. romney has gained two points, though, in the last week to shrink the advantage to 51-45 right now. the president also leading in florida this morning, but only by one percentage point, well within the margin of error for this poll. the only good news for the president here, it is the same lead he held during last week's poll. >> while mitt romney can't be in all key states all the time, his
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that helps. >> that's why the debate was so damaging for obama. >> are we going to see a movement in the poll, dan, as a result of the debate. >> i think we'll see some movement and romney will get a bump. whether he'll get one in ohio is a good question he's got to keep that momentum going. >> briefly, james. >> i think he'll get a bump, but i think the most important outcome for the debate for romney, is that he energized the party and they believe they can win again and i think that's an even more significant accomplishment in the short run than a bump in the polls. >> jason, thanks. >> one debate down and three more to go, believe it or not. the vice-presidential candidates get their turn next week in kentucky. can paul ryan keep the republican momentum going in his face-off with joe biden? >> skrooip vice-presidential candidates joe biden get their chance when the two square off in kentucky in the one and only debate. and jason, let's first talk about, i guess it's been six weeks or so since the paul ryan selection. how well has he done on the ticket and added to the romney campaign? >>
have new maris polls and they show romney's post debate bump is much less than feared. the race has tightened. the advantage remains with the president. so far we'll talk to obama's deputy campaign manager stephanie cutter and kentucky governor to talk about the state of the race. >>> plus -- some on the right deny facts and throw their dirty conspiracy theories out there. >>> also, meet the other man running against paul ryan. the democrat trying to win ryan's congressional seat joins us later. >>> let me finish tonight with that same old fashioned dirt we're seeing out here. this is "hardball," the place for politics, live from noisy danville, kentucky, the site of the vice presidential debate. >> i may not answer the questions the way you or the moderator want to speak but i am going to talk straight to the american people and let them know my track record also. altima and reimagined nearly everything in it? gave it greater horsepower and best in class 38 mpg highway... advanced headlights... and zero gravity seats? yeah, that would be cool. ♪ introducing the completely reimagi
clear politics" poll average shows the president holding a very slim lead over governor romney in a head-to-head matchup. four years ago, president obama won that state. 13 electoral votes up for grabs in virginia with 270 the magic number needed to win but last night all eyes were on kentucky, home of the only vice-presidential debate this time around. the faceoff between vice president joe biden and congressman paul ryan got combative at times. the vice president raising eyebrows openly laughing, grinning, often interrupting his challenger, a display many republicans called disrespectful. with so much on the line both men got in their jobs. >> romney is a good man. he cares about 100% of americans in this country. and with respect to that quote, i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth [laughter] it is empty mattally possible. it's been done before. precisely what we're prosing. >> it has never been done before. >> been done a couple times. jack kennedy lowered tax rates. >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. jon: they touched on the bi
of this debate, the fact that this didn't stop the bleeding, the closing of the polls, the big crowds that romney is getting i think we really have a competitive race. i think i give him the edge for the week with. jon: you think romney won the week. >> romney won the week. >> if it was the debate alone i'd say obama won the debate. coupled with libya and the problems that came out of there i think it's a wash for obama. he did not win the week, did not lose it. i think it was a tie pretty much. jon: we'll have to get that chalkboard up and see how this campaign has been going. thanks very much, bob beckel,ed rollins. jenna: new polls putting a critical swing state in play. governor mitt romney slashing the president's lead. what is behind this shift we'll ask a veteran political expert on the ground in michigan. also, one last journey for a space icon. we are going to take you along on the final ride for the space shuttle endeavour. when you have diabetes... your doctor will say get smart about your weight. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with carbs that d
democratic freakout may be premature. while mitt romney clearly did some damage, but the swing state polls -- which chris you have been saying the national they have been kind of the same all along. the swing state polls still show obama with advantage in key states. most importantly ohio. let's see obama winning ohio -- this is important -- obama winning ohioans who have already cast their ballot by 63%. virginia, cbs "new york times" found obama gaining on mitt romney. and then "new york times" put wisconsin at 50-47. >> okay. >> stephanie: so anyway -- but that's all i'm saying. >> jacki schechner just tweeted something interesting. cnn polled 381 people. in what universe is that a reliable source of anything. >> stephanie: yeah, they put that up this morning. >> 381 people? >> and one was a democrat. >> stephanie: yeah and all of the other ones show what a 20-point bump. >> here we go. >> this benghazi issue would be a tragedy in and of itself but unfortunately it's indicative of a bigger problem, and that's the unravelling of the obama foreign policy. >> with all du
that romney's favorables were not higher or there wasn't more of a change. the nbc news/marist poll october 3rd, romney, 42%, unfavorables 51%. now favorables are 44%, unfavorables 50%. that's within margin of error. effective i will no change, was surprising given the debate performance. >> the data are very clear, national data and individual state level data that we're seeing. and there has been movement. the race has changed and it is much more competitive than it was ten days ago, much more competitive. now the movement in ohio, the romney movement has been weaker than it was nationally or in places like virginia, florida, or colorado. and i think part of that is the obama campaign did a very good job early on airing ads early, focusing on ohio and delivering a message and defining mitt romney. they did not do that as well in the other states and frankly some of the other states have a more fundamental republican bend. it's true, the early obama ads about romney defining him, his wealth, i think it worked. the romney folks have a longer way to go. i should point out, alex, that it is pos
romney will campaign through north carolina. in the meantime a new poll gives romney a one-point lead over the president in colorado, but the quinnpiac university/cbs news/new york times poll found president obama has a three-point advantage in wisconsin. and in virginia romney still holds a five-point lead over the president. >>> new this morning rescue crews in florida continue their round-the-clock search efforts for a construction worker still missing in the rubble of a parking garage collapse. last night crews pulled a worker out from the pile of debris at miami-dade college 13 hours after the garage, which was under construction, first fell. he was flown to a nearby hospital in critical condition. two workers were killed, eight others were injured. >>> a discouraging development in the search for a missing 10- year-old girl in colorado. overnight authorities say they found a body just a few miles from where jessica ridgeway disappeared, but they won't say if the case is linked. ridgeway disappeared friday. investigators say she was likely abducted. the fbi and police will be b
romney is seeing a bump in the polls and in some states is eating nearly ahead. by dint will try to turn this around -- -- biden will try to turn this around, and the burden is on ryan to keep romney's bounce here alive for a few more days until the president and mitt romney face off again next week. that is the biggest reason i think that is a big reason why this does matter. this is the first or maybe the only campaign where one side is campaigning against the policies of the other party's president as much as they are against the presidential nominee. paul ryan and his budget proposals are a flash point in this campaign, so it is unique in that sense because by then -- biden will be hammering paul ryan in the gop ticket on his proposal and on long-term fiscal issues. >> you framed it this way -- in 2008 gentlemen joe debated sarah palin, and you are wondering if scranton joe will show up for tonight's debate. >> sources i talked to on both sides of the aisle say this will be an aggressive, forward-a leading joe biden, someone who will really want to frame a negative message against ro
at the polls. is that the reason you see the president leading romney among women in virginia, he's 16 points up over romney, the president is. he's 12 points up in ohio, 13 points in florida, ten points in wisconsin, six points in colorado among women voters in those key swing states? >> yes. it's not only rape that we're talking about. contraception is a huge issue. it's changed society in many ways. so women's access to contraception is the number one factor and allows us to go from second class status to first-class status. it allows us to have autonomy over our bodies and over our decision as far as our career path and family planning. >> laura bassett and zelina, thank you both for your time. >> thank you. >>> coming up, moderate mitt. meet 2009 mitt. a new tape surfaces with him praising glenn beck. but the questions don't stop there. you're watching "politicsnation" as we get ready for a big night here on the place for politics. msnbc. how did i get here? dumb luck? or good decisions? ones i've made. ones we've all made. about marriage. children. money. about tomorrow. here's to good
reaction to what we've seen in some polls that indicate a closing of the gender gap with mitt romney running better now in the polls anyway with women? >> i've seen different polls. i think polls are all over the map right now. i do this this is what women were needing to hear tonight. what are the differences on particular issues. i actually think what we'll see after this is, again, this gender gap that's been very strong in favor of the president. i think we'll continue to see it to grow. >> thanks for joining us tonight. >> good to see you. >> rachel, back to you. >> thank you, lawrence. there's been a snap poll in terms of results from tonight's debate. cbs news did a flash poll of uncommitted voters on who they think won tonight's debate. 19% of those voters said the debate was a tie. 31% say that paul ryan won. 50% say that vice president biden won. we're going to be joined in a moment -- we've talked to a couple of people who are functioning as surrogates for the obama campaign tonight. we're going to be speaking with a supporter of ryan and romney in just a moment, congressw
. >> reporter: with the polls tightening, the president needs to fire up his base while mitt romney needs to convert 2008 obama voters. last night in kentucky, they got a lot of help from their running mates. rob, paula. back to you. >> thank you, karen. as karen alluded to -- polls are tight. dead heat in virginia. obama up one in florida. doing well in ohio up by six. in colorado, romney is ahead by a point now. virginia is still tight. obama is up by five there. wisconsin up by three. so it really is -- the country watches, but really about a cluster, maybe six, eight states will make or break this race. romney made up a lot of ground since last week's debate for sure. >> i don't know if this one will move the needle. both appealed to their base really. joe biden didn't make any fatal flaws. and neither did paul ryan in this one. but, you know let everybody spin it how they want. i looked at six different polls. three gave it to biden. three gave it to paul ryan. >> it's a draw essentially. >> pretty much is a draw. >> again, i know the media's inclination, folk's inclinatio
that debate last night. it started off with the national polls have started to show mitt romney getting a bit of a bounce. mitt romney made some gains but president obama still with the slight advantage in ohio, that all pitch important state. tomorrow we'll see a lot of campaigning in ohio from the two republican candidates, so that's where they're headed and president obama is down, we assume doing debate prep before tuesday's debate. >> it's interesting. we had on former ohio governor ted strickland on yesterday. he was talking about why he believes the president is still ahead, even though he's seen the race close a bit. he still has a comfortable lead, at least it surprised governor strickland that it was still at the six point difference as opposed to the eight point. he does believe it's one of the topics that came up last night, domenico, the auto bailout. >> the obama campaign likes to say one in eight job are somehow tied to the auto industry. i checked that fact just in case it came up and talked to the center for automotive research and they said, yes, one in eight jobs are either
or two, by about half in some of these polls. putting mitt romney within striking distance of the president. now, he may still, mitt romney may still have a challenge, a hurdle to clear with some undecided voters here. and that's surrounding this auto bailout. the president of course supported that bailout, pushed it through. the president and his campaign says that bailout saved hundreds of thousands of jobs not just in detroit but here in ohio and elsewhere around the country as well. we'll have to see whether governor romney will be able to close the deal with some undecided voters. potential challenge notwithstanding, paul ryan made the case again here today why he believes the country needs to make a change in the white house. >> right now people in the top two tax brackets, they can shelter a lot of their income from taxation by putting them in various tax loopholes. take away those tax shelters and more of their income is subject to taxation. so the base of income that is being taxed is bigger and broader. that means we can lower tax rates for everybody. >> reporter:
obama than paul ryan did for mitt romney. >> but when you look at the cnn/orc poll that asks the question, who is in touch with the problems of people like you -- this is an area in which joe biden is considered to be very, very strong, right? he is the guy who talks to the middle class, did that a lot last night in the debate. it was actually paul ryan who was ahead. the polling there was 51% for paul ryan, 44% for joe biden. doesn't that make it impossible to read that as a victory for the democrats in an area that joe biden is supposed to be really strong in? >> i think these snap polls right after the debate aren't necessarily the best snapshot of how voters really feel about these debates. and they take a look at it over the course of time and see whose facts added up and whose facts didn't add up. when you saw paul ryan really pressed on the math of their tax plan, it opened that argument all the over again. because he really just couldn't make the math work. and he couldn't explain it in a way that the american people could be comfortable with. now, he says that there'
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